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yarnlover
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Posted - 11/19/2006 :  3:53:14 PM  Show Profile Send yarnlover a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I have spent some time researching this and thought I'd put the question out for your suggestions. Do you have a favorite technique for decreasing the top of a hat knit in k2-p2 rib?

I like the snug fit of this type of hat but always struggle with those top decreases, just where/how to decrease to disrupt the pattern with the least visibility. I finished a hat this morning and while the top looks okay, I'd like to have some other options in my bag of techniques. I followed a decrease pattern of kX, k2tog around followed by a knit row. Eventually the decreases cause either 3 knits or 3 purls together. Though it's not overly visible by the time you reach this stage, and these extra knits and purls get decreased the next time around, I think there may be better techniques.

I found something on the net which suggests this for decreases:

1st dec round: k2tog, p2 around and then additional rounds in this pattern, as needed.

2nd dec round: k1, p2tog around, (now you have 1x1 ribbing) followed by another set of additional rows, as needed.

When the length is right, continue to decrease with k2tog around, abandoning the ribbing.

Any other thoughts or ideas on this??

of troy
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Posted - 11/19/2006 :  5:26:41 PM  Show Profile  Visit of troy's Homepage Send of troy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
there are several ways to decrease in ribbing..

i sometimes do something similar to what you describe, but i first decrease in the purls,(to make it less noticible) then decrease in the knits, then decrease k's and P's (and work in stocking knit stitch.

alternately, you can chose X number of "MAIN" ribs, and let these 'eat up" the other ribs.

at times you'll end up with 6 knit stitches all together, and yet, the finished product looks like ribbing.

this second style requires some preplanning.. (how many (X) main ribs are you going to have?

you can see an example here:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/oftroy/Hats/sideview4squarerib.jpg

this style can be used for any ribbing pattern, (1X1, 2x2, 3X5, etc. )

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/oftroy/Hats/4squareribbedcap.jpg


I've started a blog...
http://golden-apples.blogspot.com/

but you can still just see my photo albums of mostly knitting. http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v299/oftroy/
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yarnlover
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Posted - 11/20/2006 :  07:54:35 AM  Show Profile Send yarnlover a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Good point on decreasing the purls first - I'll try it that way.

I like the decrease pattern on the hat in the photo. Will have to give some thought to this - do the math! Thanks for the pointers.
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socks4all
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Posted - 11/20/2006 :  09:35:24 AM  Show Profile Send socks4all a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I usually divide my hat into fifths or sixths and place markers. I try to place the marker between 2 knits of the K2P2 ribbing. Then, every other row when I get to one st before the marker, I K2tog. The rib with the marker gobbles up the other sts.
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Arrabella
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Posted - 11/20/2006 :  12:52:18 PM  Show Profile Send Arrabella a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Are you working flat or in the round?
I would do K2tog, P2tog, across the row, then if flat, turn and P2tog across the row, then turn and k2tog across the row. (If in the round, you can do the same but do not turn. Just work the stitches as they appear to you.)
How many times you do this, depends how many stitches you have to get rid of really.
When you have done enough shaping, Cast off by K2tog twice, pass first stitch over the second, across the row, then break the yarn with enough to sew your seam. Thread, with a wool needle, through the tops of the stitches and pull tight. Anchor off with whatever method you use, them sew the seam. using Mattress Stitch, between the two K stitches on each side and you will end up with a seam that disappears.
Have fun.
Colleen.

In NZ, there are about 4 million people & 40 million sheep.
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Posted - 11/20/2006 :  3:09:54 PM  Show Profile  Visit ky@pobox.com's Homepage Send ky@pobox.com a Private Message  Reply with Quote
How very weird. I just logged on with the same question on my mind. I'm about to begin decreasing and thought I'd look for a better way. I did find a pattern here: http://www.hjsstudio.com/hat.html
that has some potential.

Good luck with yours, Yarnlover.

kathy in Juneau
Visit me at:http://knittingweather.blogspot.com/
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of troy
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Posted - 11/20/2006 :  3:35:09 PM  Show Profile  Visit of troy's Homepage Send of troy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Yes, socks for all, that style the one i provided a (photo) link for.

and ky, the hats shown use the first method that yarn lover described.. (as does the blue hat that is currently (but not for long!) shown on my blog..)

i think the "main Rib" (the one socks for all and i suggested) is there nicer of the two. the simple decrease works, but has no OOMPH! the second style requires a bit of planning but its also has a bit more style.

I've started a blog...
http://golden-apples.blogspot.com/

but you can still just see my photo albums of mostly knitting. http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v299/oftroy/
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