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truly violet
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Posted - 01/20/2006 :  5:28:06 PM  Show Profile  Visit truly violet's Homepage Send truly violet a Private Message  Reply with Quote
combs.....
but mainly drum carders
who has one
which one do you have
why that one
do you use it often or is it just a 'nice to have but only use it occationally toy'

( watch now..... there will be a test later and it is 45 % of your grade)

sooooooooooooooooo

lets talk about carding

vi
who is pretty sick of feeding tiny bits of dyed icycle into the oriface with each bit of drafted wool



none of this will matter in 100 years.......
except I will finally be at my goal weight...vi
http://notashyviolet.blogspot.com/ ~now with chickens!

hobbitknitter
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Posted - 01/20/2006 :  6:04:22 PM  Show Profile  Visit hobbitknitter's Homepage Send hobbitknitter a Private Message  Reply with Quote
*goes into enabling mode*

*waves hand around, waves clock in front of vi's face*

yooouuuu neeeddddd a frrriiiiccckkkeeeeeeee druummmcaarrrddderrr.. buy it nowwwwwwwwww



Seriously though- my lovely parents gave me a Fricke's Finest drumcarder WITH the brush attachment (!!!) for my 16th birthday and I absolutely love it. I use it pretty frequently, as I have some alpaca fleeces to card. It works like a dream. I looovvvee blending on it.
Can't wait to FINALLY set up my dye workshop (which I've fully talked my parents into, MWAHAHA) and start dyeing, so I can do awesome color blends on it.. mmmmmm...

But anyway.
What type of fibers are you wanting to card? If you buy a carder, you want to make sure you buy the one that will be most compatible with the types of fibers you'll be using, or one that has interchangable drums.

For drumcarder brands though, I think Fricke is the best.

~Sarah Elizabeth
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truly violet
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Posted - 01/20/2006 :  6:16:48 PM  Show Profile  Visit truly violet's Homepage Send truly violet a Private Message  Reply with Quote
ok well I have access...( cause of my spin group who literally have buckets of fibers around... and I am not kidding....they wouldn't let me buy fiber for over a year)
corriedale
texel
texelX BFL
BFL
alpaca
mohair
cashmere
merino
shetland ( I just found out one member has these guys....)
jacob
tunis...( that one is mine all mine...and coming in the spring..... with luck)
and the curly headed cats

so that is about ( at the moment)
what I have to spin

and I am liking this icycle
so I assume I will like the angelina
blended in

I finally did figure out the ingeo sorta
and would like to blend the tencel with the merino

vi

none of this will matter in 100 years.......
except I will finally be at my goal weight...vi
http://notashyviolet.blogspot.com/ ~now with chickens!
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hobbitknitter
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Posted - 01/20/2006 :  6:22:39 PM  Show Profile  Visit hobbitknitter's Homepage Send hobbitknitter a Private Message  Reply with Quote
You'll probably want a carder with a drum suited to a fine micron fiber, then. Like the Frike's Finest.
http://www.bountifulspinweave.com/carding_strauch_facts.htm
(okay so they changed their name to Strauch..)
http://www.bountifulspinweave.com/carding_strauch_features.htm

I really do recommend this carder, it's so well put together and works so well. I think you'd be happy with it for sure.
And if you're carding "fly-away" fibers such as alpaca, soy silk, mohair, etc., then you'll want the brush attachment. Keeps the batt nice and neat.

~Sarah Elizabeth
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azknitter
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Posted - 01/20/2006 :  6:30:05 PM  Show Profile Send azknitter a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I second the Fricke recommendation...(sounds sort of dirty doesn't it). I used to have a Louet drum carder that drove me nuts because it crunch, crunch, crunched all the time.

I have to admit, I don't use my drum carder all that much because I don't spin much anymore....but, I do love my Clemes and Clemes hand cards when I spin with my spindles.

Trish
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Valk_scot
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Posted - 01/21/2006 :  01:09:10 AM  Show Profile Send Valk_scot a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I bought the half-width Louet Junior (I think you call it something slightly different in the USA) because it has a slightly different teeth arrangement than normal. The teeth are twice as ong so the batts end up twice as thick but only half the width...same weight of fibre. The long teeth are supposed to be better for carding fine fibres, according to Louet. I`ve only carded alpaca and silk on mine and I had truoble with the silk, but I think that`s because I tried to feed in too much at once. Learning curve! And the licker-in drum is fiddly to clean. On the plus side, you don`t need to pre-tease fibre as much. There is no feeder tray because you`re just supposed to let the licker-in drum catch the ends of the fibre and pull it out your fingers, slowly and gently, like drafting would.

And like most Louet products, it`s low maintinence...all the gears and cogs are sealed away and lubricated for life. It`s significantly cheaper thanthe full width carders as well. I`ve used mine a lot since Christmas...I don`t feel it`s quicker than handcarding raw (washed) fibre, but it`s super-fast for blending once the intial pass through the carder has been made. And drum carding makes it possible to card big amounts of a blend into a consistent pile of batts.

Do you have back issues of Spin-Off, Vi? There was a review of drum carders in an issue from a few years back. I`ll find it and scan it and send it to you, if you don`t have it. Useful reading.

Val.

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MoBarger
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Posted - 01/21/2006 :  05:01:53 AM  Show Profile  Visit MoBarger's Homepage Send MoBarger a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I have been debating the same issue. I currently have a romney and a finn-dorset. I am hoping to add a couple shetlands this year. I figure with all the goats and the sheep, DH will never notice a few more in the field ;)
Val if you do end up scanning that article, can I convince you to e-mail a copy to me as well?


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truly violet
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Posted - 01/21/2006 :  06:11:38 AM  Show Profile  Visit truly violet's Homepage Send truly violet a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by MoBarger

I have been debating the same issue. I currently have a romney and a finn-dorset. I am hoping to add a couple shetlands this year. I figure with all the goats and the sheep, DH will never notice a few more in the field ;)
Val if you do end up scanning that article, can I convince you to e-mail a copy to me as well?


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darlink........

tell him that they are not more sheepies dotting the hills but spots upon his glasses.....

vi~always ready to help a pal justify another animal family member


none of this will matter in 100 years.......
except I will finally be at my goal weight...vi
http://notashyviolet.blogspot.com/ ~now with chickens!
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Valk_scot
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Posted - 01/21/2006 :  09:52:23 AM  Show Profile Send Valk_scot a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by MoBarger

Val if you do end up scanning that article, can I convince you to e-mail a copy to me as well?



Yes sure, easy enough to copy it on to another address. It will come via a strange man`s email addy though.......because the scanner is hooked into Hubby`s PC. I`ll make the title clearly as to what it is though, ("Scan of Spin-Off Drum Carder article") so you`ll not be worried to open the attachment, ok?

Val.

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Valk_scot
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Posted - 01/21/2006 :  10:28:39 AM  Show Profile Send Valk_scot a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Vi and MoBarger...could you both PM me your email addresses? I can`t attach the necessary files via the forum link.

And if anyone else would like a copy of the Spin-Off review please give me your email address too and I`ll send you the file. It`s a bit big at 900KB, btw, so make sure you have space.

Val.

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MoBarger
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Posted - 01/21/2006 :  2:47:15 PM  Show Profile  Visit MoBarger's Homepage Send MoBarger a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by truly violet
tell him that they are not more sheepies dotting the hills but spots upon his glasses.....



Oh if he only wore glasses, I am sure I could sneak in more chickens and turkeys too. I just found him some free pigs today so I think I scored some sheep points.

Val, you have a pm.


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truly violet
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Posted - 01/21/2006 :  5:57:53 PM  Show Profile  Visit truly violet's Homepage Send truly violet a Private Message  Reply with Quote
ok then do this......
tell him SHEEPIES are FLOCKING animals.......
and a such are only happy when there are more of them

doesn't he want HAPPY sheepies????
happy sheepies make wonderful fleece
and good lamb chops
iffen you are so inclined.....................

and the extra manure is great for the garden

vi

none of this will matter in 100 years.......
except I will finally be at my goal weight...vi
http://notashyviolet.blogspot.com/ ~now with chickens!
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pugsweater
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Posted - 01/23/2006 :  12:02:04 PM  Show Profile Send pugsweater a Private Message  Reply with Quote
which of the fricke (are these the ones that are strauch now?) the petite or the other series? are the licker in adjustable? is this a good feature or not that all neccessary?

while we're on this topic, i noticed that the pastgreens have higher ratio. does it make a significant diff in the batt? and are the strauch's fine cloth (128?) fine enough for down fibers (are teh patgreens' cloth finer)? the reason i ask is because even with louet's fine cloth, i can't blend/card silk and the down fibers got stuck in btwn teeths so it ain't getting blended.

thx.

and about combs, are the indigo hounds heavy for prolonged use (tired wrist/hand), especially the multiple rows ones. if so, does anyone favor the mini combs?

thx so much.

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Valk_scot
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Posted - 01/23/2006 :  3:04:43 PM  Show Profile Send Valk_scot a Private Message  Reply with Quote
If you pm me your email address, Pugsweater, I`ll send you that Spin Off article. It might answer some of your questions.

Val.


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Davy
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Posted - 01/23/2006 :  6:42:40 PM  Show Profile Send Davy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi Val, would it be possible for me to have a copy of the Spin-Off article also please, this is something I have been researching also.
I had thought about the Ashford DC but after looking around I am leaning towards the Strauch Finest at nearly double the price this will have to wait till April time,the only place I can find one is in Germany, priced 405. Hopefully with care and attention this will last me for many years. I hope you do not mind but I have taken the liberty of PMing you my e-mail add in advance. Many thanks, Thats a lovely big allotment you have there and plenty of helpers also:-)

Davy.
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Valk_scot
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Posted - 01/24/2006 :  01:49:35 AM  Show Profile Send Valk_scot a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Davy, Pugsweater...you both have email. Anyone else for a copy?

Have you looked at Haldanes website for drum carders, Davy? Good to shop local!

Val.


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Davy
Warming Up

United Kingdom
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Posted - 01/24/2006 :  03:42:28 AM  Show Profile Send Davy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi Val, good idea, never gave Haldanes a thought, was up at Haldanes before Xmas for Texolv for the loom. Going for a look now.

Davy.
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Valk_scot
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Posted - 01/24/2006 :  06:26:59 AM  Show Profile Send Valk_scot a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I got my Louet Junior carder from Haldanes...175, which was 25 cheaper than anywhere else I could find. And I went up to collect it, which saved postage.

Then I went to Twist Fibre Craft Studio, and spent the postage money and the 25....

Val.


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Davy
Warming Up

United Kingdom
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Posted - 01/24/2006 :  07:17:17 AM  Show Profile Send Davy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi Val, The info you sent this morning has finally clarified our drum carder choice. We have decided on the Pat Green Beverly, not because its the best, though it handles itself well against the competition but because you can get interchangable drums for it. This could save us money in the future if we need a finer cloth for our spinning needs. Unfortunately Haldanes do not stock it and it will have to come from the US, mores the pity.

Twist Fibre Craft Studio is where we have ordered our Ashford espinner from, they are really nice people and thier enthusiasm is contageous as we always feel good when we leave thier shop. They are also running a rebate scheme where for every 100 you spend you get 10 to spend on big items or whatever else you want except Majacraft products.

Davy
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bungalowmum
Warming Up

USA
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Posted - 01/24/2006 :  7:34:11 PM  Show Profile  Visit bungalowmum's Homepage Send bungalowmum a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thank-you, Val! I appreciate your emailing me.

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katie - crazy spinner, dyer & knitter
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pugsweater
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Posted - 01/26/2006 :  11:29:39 AM  Show Profile Send pugsweater a Private Message  Reply with Quote
i've read and reread the article (Thank you, Val...it is very informative) and i've got more questions,please.....

for the higher ratios that pat green has (8:1(Deb's Deluxe and Beverly) and 27:1(Beverly)), their teeth density is 76. they $450 to 550.

Now, Strauch Finest's teeth is 128 psi although their ratio is 4:1, they now run $624 or so.

so, when carding/blending fibers like silk, merino, camel, which is the better machine for the work?

i can't figure out which is more important, the cloth density or the ratio. if i have one with higher ratio and lower cloth density, will the fibers get caught in btwn the teeth and if i have the one with the higher teeth density but lower ratio, will i need more passes which might translates to neps and such?

i guess it is the trade-off? that no one single instruments has all the features. they are distinctively good in their own ways?

pat green does have a higher rating by a notch for the alpaca, dog hair and angora even though the cloth is 76(fur) compared to strauch's 128.

does anyone own a strauch and love the alpaca/angora/fine fiber/silk batts?

please bear with me. thank you!

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